Curse

Theus · Aug 03, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I've reported someone for trying to scam me (It was when there were Superior Vigors that looked like Minor runes.)

I got a letter back that said they had taken action..but were going to keep what sort of action that was actually done confidential.

Dunno what they did to him..

Loviatar · Aug 03, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

Except of course when they put rather large gates in the way...

which makes for interesting thoughts for Nightfall does it not?

Andy_M · Aug 03, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

which makes for interesting thoughts for Nightfall does it not?

Aye, here's hoping hindsight is 20/20 in this case.

Xenrath · Aug 03, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Well actually no, this interview (by Gaile it seems) kind of says the complete opposite, that running was actually designed into the game.

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Originally Posted by Guild Wars

Wanna know a secret? We put in the ability to make such runs as an intended design element. Sure we could prevent it, but it's not our objective to do so. If people want to power-level a friend, or even turn offering a running service into a cash-raising profession, it's really ok with us.

There are two ways in which it would not be ok:

" If someone scams players by taking money and not making the run, they become a nuisance factor rather than a clever entrepreneur, and we would take action on that account.

" If we find that players are using runners to develop a character that is then abusive in PvP play by virtue of their higher-level acquisitions (particularly armor) we will need to take steps to prevent this.

Logically the service provider should be covered too if they get scammed then.

So, looks to me like another reversal and change of tune then. Mind you nothing much seems to have been done on the second part of that quote either (about high level armour in low level PvP areas) Oh well, service providers beware

eternal pho · Aug 03, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Oh why do people scam runners with 500g...thats so pathetic.

The Herbalizer · Aug 03, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Originally Posted by Bartuc Galadwor
I had a friend who scammed someone for over 700k and he got reported and banned for a week, but kept all the money. So it seems that they do react to big scams but only with a short ban and I don't think they respond to simple scams that aren't worth alot of cash, such as, not paying someone for a run.

We respond to all reports. And I would wager that if your friend slips across that line and scams again, he'll be well and truly gone.

Thing is where do you draw the line at what is a ban worthy scam???

Let me use the example of a well known scammer. He stole 10 million gold from his friend and a Gold 14>40 Crystalline Sword worth at the time 2 million or so. Was he banned for this??? Nope.

He used this gold to purchase himself a nice new Gold Crystalline Sword Req 8 15>50 for 20 million gold. With this sword he took himself to Lions Arch and offered to sell it for xxxxxx k. However, he did not want ectos, it was a gold only trade. The sword would be given in the last trade. He never gave the sword over, he did this over and over.

The individual then decided to use his second account and create a character with a name similar to a moderator on here. He used it for fake guru moderator trades.

He must have scammed tens of millions of gold over many many months. This was happening all the time as people were posting on guru about it in the bucket loads.

You fail to ban an individual who has in one scam stole 10 million gold and a sword worth another 2 million. He used the gold to buy another sword which he used to scam people for many many months and was never banned. Just like you fail to ban people for scamming 500 gold you also fail to ban people who scam tens of millions worth of gold.

Yogi's Pain · Aug 04, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Anet has made some updates to make commons scams harder, switching comes to mind. Not to mention that most people who try to scam, gold instead of plat or whatever are usually easily seen and therefore prevented.

However there are a few occasions where you have to trust another player as part of a transaction, running and such. Why not just make an update to help adjust this? Maybe some sort of trade where the gold is placed in a temporary storage till the said task is completed. Once the run is over, the money has already been taken so no need to worry about being scammed.

I'm just a drunk, so this plan isn't very exact. But Anet has plenty of smart people to fill in the holes.

Venice Queen · Aug 04, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

People shouldn't charge for running anyway.

shadowfell · Aug 04, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Thing is where do you draw the line at what is a ban worthy scam???

Let me use the example of a well known scammer. He stole 10 million gold from his friend and a Gold 14>40 Crystalline Sword worth at the time 2 million or so. Was he banned for this??? Nope.

He used this gold to purchase himself a nice new Gold Crystalline Sword Req 8 15>50 for 20 million gold. With this sword he took himself to Lions Arch and offered to sell it for xxxxxx k. However, he did not want ectos, it was a gold only trade. The sword would be given in the last trade. He never gave the sword over, he did this over and over.

The individual then decided to use his second account and create a character with a name similar to a moderator on here. He used it for fake guru moderator trades.

He must have scammed tens of millions of gold over many many months. This was happening all the time as people were posting on guru about it in the bucket loads.

You fail to ban an individual who has in one scam stole 10 million gold and a sword worth another 2 million. He used the gold to buy another sword which he used to scam people for many many months and was never banned. Just like you fail to ban people for scamming 500 gold you also fail to ban people who scam tens of millions worth of gold.

I was about to post the exact same.

The person in question was very open about what he had done and how he had aquired some 60+ million in wealth. His words were, "I feel like robin hood'....He has gotten away with this for months, and it isn't just one and two accounts, it's several.

I find it hard to believe that someone was able to get away with this for so long with all the supposed 'data' that AN collects about reported scammers, and you know, he has been reported dozens upon dozens of times....How do these people continue to slip through the cracks?

Gaile Gray · Aug 04, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

I was about to post the exact same.

The person in question was very open about what he had done and how he had aquired some 60+ million in wealth. His words were, "I feel like robin hood'....He has gotten away with this for months, and it isn't just one and two accounts, it's several.

I find it hard to believe that someone was able to get away with this for so long with all the supposed 'data' that AN collects about reported scammers, and you know, he has been reported dozens upon dozens of times....How do these people continue to slip through the cracks?

Give me ticket numbers, I will follow up on this. If you mean that someone was "reported" in this forum set "dozens upon dozens of times," then sorry, he wasn't reported at all. The only reporting of these situations is via Support, through the Ask a Question system. I think I recall seeing one ticket about it, but it seems to be related to the name rather than the reporting individual having himself been scammed.

One problem with scammers is that they steal accounts and then do their evil deeds on the stolen account. That makes it difficult to track. We do act and we close accounts as quickly as we can, but for a pernicious problem like the person you're describing, it can mean that we're closing and putting him out of business while he moves on with another account.

Again, if you have ticket numbers, PM me and I'll see if I can trace what happened. When I got the one ticket, the person's account had been actioned.

The Herbalizer · Aug 04, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Give me ticket numbers, I will follow up on this. If you mean that someone was "reported" in this forum set "dozens upon dozens of times," then sorry, he wasn't reported at all. The only reporting of these situations is via Support, through the Ask a Question system. I think I recall seeing one ticket about it, but it seems to be related to the name rather than the reporting individual having himself been scammed.

One problem with scammers is that they steal accounts and then do their evil deeds on the stolen account. That makes it difficult to track. We do act and we close accounts as quickly as we can, but for a pernicious problem like the person you're describing, it can mean that we're closing and putting him out of business while he moves on with another account.

Again, if you have ticket numbers, PM me and I'll see if I can trace what happened. When I got the one ticket, the person's account had been actioned.

LOL!!! Do you really think someone who spent months upon months scamming possibly hundreds of people was never reported??? The crystalline sword gold scam was not a small amount of gold being scammed. i am talking about hundreds and hundreds of thousands of gold a time. Anyone losing that amount of gold I am sure would want the person banned. As for Akhellius losing 10 million gold and a very nice sword I am sure too he would have reported him.

I am going to go and find lots of links regarding the scammer.

Edit: Search is weird now so I will have to spend longer looking for the links.

Don Zardeone · Aug 04, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

People get killed irl over things like this.

Urban Myth time: Some guy in EQ logged onto his friends account and sold an item in a very lucrative trade. he thought his friend would be happy.. nope he shot him X.x

Games are serious business!